Episode 50: "INSIDER ARTISTE" feat. klub2020

You are listening to the free version of Cloud Farm. For the full episode, sub to Patriot on Geyser. Swear down. Bosh. When it comes to like comedy and like jokes and stuff, I'm kind of like, I'm kind of like a classicist. Guy reading a book and his head explodes. That really made me think. He has like perfectly like spherical, like just like bolt on tits, just like perfect rare chud dialect. That was like naked boobs in a bra. Tell me they're like famous for their like big bosoms or something. What a shout out to my clients. The only evil thing I've ever done is be India. Exactly. It was on the tip of my fat ass time. Like Yachty Queen Elizabeth. Why did you choose fat people? I think it was just like easy and fast to paint. I have two tattoos. Like Salsic FC or something? You guys are truly the best. Bye bye. i was wondering like um because i mean you talked earlier earlier about like soundcloud i guess i have a couple questions but um do you feel like there's a particular musical style or sound that's like most directly corollary to what we do with your visual art hmm yeah maybe actually i think there's like a like maybe i mean the stuff that we texted about recently i like i just wrote a a piece for Christian for texture it was kind of like about this shout out shout out Christian was about um these like edits or like ambient and pop or like trap symbols are put together maybe that I feel like it's like um it was just like like very nostalgic and beautiful also maybe like a little bit corny um and maybe like I sometimes go for like but honestly I feel like what's like the most

inspiring to me I'm like the most inspired by comedy actually I mean it's not really visible I'm just like super into comedy like all these like icons from like this like absurd stuff like Kaufman and like Tim and Eric and all this like adjacent like adults from adjacent to like like Norm Macdonald and like yeah like fucking even like Theo Vaughn and like all these like I just feel like like the jokes they're like i'm trying to think of ideas in like a synesthetic way you know they're like like like beautiful joke is like a beautiful idea and i like oh it's like colors and shapes and when i like think of something to paint it kind of is like that to me it's like a bit of like it's a bit like funny to me and it like maybe says something about society and like some people might see and be like oh my god that's so corny but like i'm like do you know realizing it's just like it's like a joke you know yeah when we were talking a couple weeks ago, you said it's like, it's funny, and then it's not, and then it's funny again. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Which I felt like kind of charged with like, Charles is, it's funny, but it's not a joke idea. Yeah. Which I think has always really stuck with me. Yeah. Which is something someone said in quite an early episode we did. Yeah. Charles Verney. Yeah. That I think encapsulates a lot of... He fucking nerves. Yeah. I don't know if you guys resonate with this shit, but I kind of feel like with... I was, like, growing up, I would have not been, like, I would not have known what, like, Tim and Eric was really until the kind of, like, drinking, getting stoned phase. It's more, more, I think it's, like, resonating with me more now because it's, like, it's a really successful DIY world, especially compared to, like, music or film or any art stuff. And so, I don't know, it somehow feels, like, more profound because it's, like, like, lasts. Yeah. yeah i mean like on cinema at the cinema like this whole series i feel like talking about it on like on the pot i think it like genuinely like maybe the most like masterful work of art in the last like 20 years but people people kind of like use abuse and like trivialize the world the word world world building but if anything is that it is that yeah it's it's but it's also like it doesn't have to me like the word world building has this comes with this kind of like

grandiose sort of connotation and um this is like the exact opposite of that because it's quiet it's like it like revels in mundanity yeah i wasn't just like like very very subtle kind of like stupid kind of like social dynamics but it's still like incredibly like expansive um why is this thrown on cinema at the cinema it's like this like greg turkington and tim tim tim heidecker project i guess it started off like as this very kind of like low-key parody of like movie reviewers of like eber or whatever and cisco um and of just like these two guys just kind of like hand packing at each other and very very gradually just like evolved into this self-contained universe okay like there's tons and tons of like again like lores in other words words it's like easter eggs and stuff yeah hella yeah so it is genuinely a work of of genius it's so fucking me and my friend we were watching um because like each season tim has like a health condition that's like developing horribly and there's like a completion of that and there's like it's so like fucking funny it's so like he always gets into like some like alternative medicine stuff like he just gets scammed like all every i don't know it's like hard to like he will kind of like abuse his body in the same way that like a method actor would do a prestige method actor he'll like use his own kind of like physique as a prop like he's been like blowed and then fucked up there's like a season where he like gets addicted to like vaping there's a season where he's like putting on for just like some fucking like some like vape juice that winds up like killing fucking like 20 kids or something and then they put up this like like trial that's like four hours long or even more they it's like it's like impossible to like describe verbally like feel like we're gonna like feel to do with justice but you guys should like watch yeah anyone who's like who's listening should also watch on cinema the cinema yeah um yeah the premise is like okay one guy doesn't really is like a film buff but he just loves all the films most of them are like kind of like old like like like like b films disposable like just fucking

nothing just like nothing like the stuff like the books that you buy at like some like random like like whatever fair store 80s 90s just like throw away vhs yeah yeah and he collects them and that's like his like life's uh purpose and the other guy is like tim who is somehow like paired he just wants to set up like a successful sort of kind of he wants to like make it i guess yeah yeah i mean so to bring it back to like your actual like practice like you're saying that this comedy informs a lot of what you do. Like a spiritual way. Is it ever irritating to you maybe that it's not necessarily immediately perceived as such by the people who view it? Do you care? I don't really care unless there's some archive pages that repost my stuff sometimes. And they're like... okay there's one page and we posted it and it said um this artist makes the coolest street art or something or like the coolest graffiti and then i went into the comments and then like all of them were like this shit's so corny this is ass this is like ripple banksy or something like that and i was like i don't know i was like fuck off where they said about your shit yeah like rip off of banksy yeah i don't even but i was like as as we said there were like those people who don't really get the joke yeah yeah and they just look at it as like well like when i paint myself with this like huge like bench press around me it's like to me it's funny that i'm so smart it's so big you know that's basically how i look at it and like maybe to visual slapstick yeah yeah and to them it's maybe like oh it's like supposed to illustrate some sort of like something and for them it's just like you know i don't know Like that human, like, I don't fucking even know. Do you fuck with Banksy? Not really, though. I was trying to find, like, the way to, like, formulate it. Are you guys Banksy? Are you guys involved into that? No, no, no, no. In being Banksy? Yeah. Yo, Joe, look at that. We're not Banksy. Yeah. But what I will say is I did, I remember loving that movie Exit Through the Gift Shop.

oh yeah yeah that was a good movie i i don't know like do you think it holds up i don't know because obviously like so much of the people that they like lionize are so dumb right like it's it's all about how like am i right in the thing it's pretty much all about how like effective the like obey obama shepherd ferry shit was yeah saving america hope yeah yeah that was fire and like the what's the guy mr brainwash that's it yeah yeah I thought it wasn't the film about the fact that this guy's kind of an idiot. Mr. Brainwash is kind of an idiot. But don't they use him to kind of make Shepard Fairey look like a kind of like America saving genius? Oh, is it? Okay. I don't really remember it. It's been all these kind of like political layers. Yeah. I just thought for me it was like more about like the nature of art. like i guess that was like the maybe like the surface level reading like was like is it like still authentic if you like mass produce it yeah i mean i would have been like 11 when i saw it so i don't remember but i do remember it was having that fire richard hawley song tonight the streets are out that's a great song yeah i forgot about it it's like a good montage Went to see the play last year. Oh, shit. With my parents. Wait, the play of Exit Through the Gift Shop? No, no, no. The Richard Hawley, like, musical. I didn't even know that existed. Yeah, I went to see it with my parents last year. During the middle of, like... It was before we did the Palais Rock episode. You actually do so much fire shit with your parents. Palais Rock? Yeah, we did an episode with Palais Rock, and I have an autoimmune condition. It was, like, flaring up at the time. But I, like, in spite of it, came and did the episode. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty horrible. You powered through, though. Yeah. I powered through. That is true. Shout out to Bobby. Shout out Bobby. For real. You met Mr. Rock before? Yeah. Sick. You met him. A great guy. I think we've seen Berlin. Yeah, yeah. Are you giving him a tattoo? Yes. Oh, hell yeah. Wait, did you do Rob's? Nah. No. Shit, sorry. That's okay. Yeah. I have two tattoos. Yeah, yeah. Like Soul Seek FC or something?

I know there's a lot of people around. I've never played soul suit. I played a different five-a-side in South London. They kicked out David for being too fat. I need this. This is good. This will help me. Unfortunately, this guy was always too esoteric to really belong to any groups, clubs, or even have a favorite bar or artist. Does that accurately represent you? Favorite bar or artist? Yeah, I don't know. What is it from? Did you compose it? No, no, no. I've been in touch with your people. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like an art war? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking to my mother? Could have been. Could have been. It'd be funny if your mom was like... Your mom said you were too esoteric. Like he doesn't have... Yeah, no, really. Maybe, yeah. Your mom calling you esoteric. Yeah. He doesn't know what an easy one. Is your mom hip? I miss my mom. What? Is she hip? Is she cool? She's not really hip, no. What did she put you on to? She really loves me. That's good. Yeah. Unconditional love. We don't really like, we like operate on different wavelengths with my parents. My dad is like a nerdy guy, like kind of like a scientist guy. What a geek. Yeah. Kind of like AI geek these days. Whoa, cool. Publishing something, trying to publish. I mean, he published some good papers, but now he said everything's so flooded with AI-generated stuff. It's so hard. 70% of academic papers have AI inaccuracies in them or something crazy like that. The whole reality has changed, so he thinks of doing something else. But yeah, my mom's the best. So you reject the answer that you don't have a favorite club, bar, or artist? No, no really. No, I don't have it. You've never had a single goatage? There's like people that I really like. I mean, like, okay, Tim Heidecker. I respect him for his like whole avra. There's like writers that I really like. Like, I have this guy like Tattoo D or like George Parekh. You know that guy? Yeah. He's awesome. Have you ever read the first ever thing that he had published? Things? Yeah, the one about the trend forecasters.

oh yeah no and turn up the trend forecast the market researchers who live in paris yeah and this idea their lives are just like kind of like just slowly coming to an end even though they're like by the end they're only in their early 30s and they like move to morocco and just oh yeah yeah yeah it's incredible i read that last year or something yeah it's really really good and it's like really pressing even though it's like 60 years old at this point that like he just chose like a narrow subject and like just wrote like a really focused book about it and like his other writing is just like so like like kind of like I mean, like, his every book is, like, a separate project, but it's more just, like, all-encompassing. Whereas, like, I just read, like, David Foster Wallace's, like, first book lately. Brim of the System? Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, like... Still not read that somehow. Dude, he was 24 when he wrote it. Crazy. Fucking insane, bro. Underrated funny guy, I would say. No, the heads know he's funny. Yeah. Among the heads, I'd say rightly rated. Really? Yes. Take it back. Good book, though. I enjoyed it. it's pretty cool but like it's like the opposite of that it's just very like like what kind of wide okay spectrum of uh themes but different times too what else we got on the club files no no bar or artist that springs to mind i feel like i'm not that like inspired by visual or like i'm like really inspired by like like music or comedy and then it just like somehow like like crystallizes into what i do okay i'm really glad to hear that because like it's something that has been touched on also like on a bunch of previous episodes where like once you know every every so often like someone will kind of like proclaim like the death of soundcloud um but to me it's always been this like infinite resource of like freshness oh yeah and newness And it's just in the same way that some people could just kind of, like, talk about when film being over or, like, literature is just, like, over. And those are, like, obviously, like, not the worlds that, like, I personally, like, am best acquainted with. But when someone very confidently states that SoundCloud is, like, dead and buried, like, I can only scoff. Cap. Pure cap. Yeah. Like, to me, it's, like, still, like, it's still just, like, ground zero for her.

like anything that's ahead of its time anything that's like that's new anything that's sort of like challenging i think that's like interesting you know what i'm waiting for like the new like a new justin beaver the swag album yeah someone just like remixed that like she just put like better instrumentals over like a single whatever like um song with sexy red oh wait sweet spot sweet spot yeah yeah just sample just sample it take the vocals out put like better instrumental like just turn into something like a new genre it's just gonna be much better you know like web ghost style just waiting for it maybe you should do it i don't know how to do you guys are the stem stem i'll send you a stem splur you can do it easy you can do it easy uh ethel studio or something though you can it's even easier than that now all right yeah you can just upload it to your website i know logical but there you go you're fine you're fine but i think i think soundcloud still represents this kind of like this like vision like i'm like continually as someone who's like as many people are like i feel like in the last like year two years or whatever just like grappling with like just being like locked into this like horrific colonized contemporary form of like the internet where which is like consists of like five websites or something like to me like reading is like one thing like music like discourse is like another thing it used to be like the case that you had kind of like outlets like independent outlets that like existed independently of like the feed or whatever um but like soundcloud to me still has like a very faint sense of like what made the internet cool right like fun to begin with this sort of like wild west like aspect to it it's a frontier i kind of genuinely i kind of think that frontier exists across all these things we're just particularly a part of the dark forest for like for this kind of music yeah Can we speak for like Spotify? Cause I never had it, but I had like, I remember YouTube. It was like a moment when like everyone got the same songs recommended. Remember that? Yeah. The algorithm was like stuttered. Like Ross from Friends. Yeah. Okay. DJ Boring. Winona. Yeah. Yeah. Mole Grab. I love that era, man. The like, when you could like, I remember saying like, we talked about like YouTube sidebar core. Yeah. That was like the era, like six, seven, eight years. Yeah. I remember I was like, like digging like heavily on.

YouTube. That was like a completely different kind of... I think you can still have a good YouTube take if things aren't properly. This is when Dom found out about guitar through Rex Orange County. Yeah, exactly. I was just listening to Lethal Bizzle before then. Fake niggas. They do it all for the clout. Always run in their mouth. But they've never been about. I splashed niggas in and out. Clout is killing our people Clout is killing our people Clout is killing our people Clout is killing our people They move like the groupies, them Sending shots or snap But in real life don't use this gang You know who likes special entertainment like that?